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it would be a package to deal with averting the fiscal cliff. we can infer from that with what the president said before he went to the family vacation in hawaii that he wanted something that would be scaled down, not a massive grand bargain that would protect the current tax rate for people who earned less than $250,000 a year or perhaps a different figure if they reached that. but trying to protect the middle class. so officials here haven't seen it yet, but this is kind of today's volley in what has been this ongoing battle. house speaker john boehner has been saying the president must act and it appears the president is prepared to do that with another offer. and senate democrats would presumably be right on board with that. hopefully we will get details sometime this afternoon. then we'll see where we are. there isn't much time left. as you know, there are many people who have sorted of scaled back the breathless approach to what is a fiscal cliff and are a little bit more low key about it now. obviously, there are deadlines. but if it goes
it would be a package to deal with averting the fiscal cliff. we can infer from that with what the president said before he went to the family vacation in hawaii that he wanted something that would be scaled down, not a massive grand bargain that would protect the current tax rate for people who earned less than $250,000 a year or perhaps a different figure if they reached that. but trying to protect the middle class. so officials here haven't seen it yet, but this is kind of today's volley in...
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that's really what the crux of this fiscal cliff negotiation -- what these fiscal cliff negotiations are all about. they're about fairness. when the president and congressional democrats talk about the need for balanced approach, to deficit reduction and dealing with the fiscal cliff, we're talking about fairness. we're talking about making sure that if you work hard and play by the rules everyone has a chance to succeed. that the middle class needs certainly tight right now. speaker pelosi and my colleague congressman tim walls, filed a discharge petition today to take the bill that we have, that has already passed the senate, that grants certainty to the middle class, to take that bill up and make sure that we can extend the middle class tax breaks before the holidays where we can give -- that's what everyone agrees on. i don't know any republican or democrat that thinks we should let those tax rates -- tax cuts for the middle class expire. so we should pass that now. and then on the things that we're having more trouble agreeing on, we should sit down at the table. the one thing i
that's really what the crux of this fiscal cliff negotiation -- what these fiscal cliff negotiations are all about. they're about fairness. when the president and congressional democrats talk about the need for balanced approach, to deficit reduction and dealing with the fiscal cliff, we're talking about fairness. we're talking about making sure that if you work hard and play by the rules everyone has a chance to succeed. that the middle class needs certainly tight right now. speaker pelosi and...
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up the questions, he would get a fiscal cliff question. one of the things i was struck by was it was very clear the president was going to keep taking questions until he got another question on guns. he just kind of kept, okay, i'll take one more, one more, so it was a dual-purposed press conference, both to announce this gun control commission, although the president isn't calling it a commission being led by joe biden, but also kind of get himself get where he believes the fiscal cliff is and where it needs to go, at least rhetorically get himself out on both those things, and he did it. that's the power of the presidency. >> the other question is at the end, until then, all the questions were about the fiscal cliff and no follow-up questions about what exactly policies, what policies are going to be part of this gun task force. >> and that -- what's hard on this, andrea, that's the difficult thing, and i think it may ultimately be when the biden commission -- i got to think of another word, but when the group joe biden is leading makes
up the questions, he would get a fiscal cliff question. one of the things i was struck by was it was very clear the president was going to keep taking questions until he got another question on guns. he just kind of kept, okay, i'll take one more, one more, so it was a dual-purposed press conference, both to announce this gun control commission, although the president isn't calling it a commission being led by joe biden, but also kind of get himself get where he believes the fiscal cliff is and...
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thank you. >> that's right. >> a deal on the fiscal cliff may be at hand, but there's still a lot to do, and not a lot of time to do it. delaware democratic senator chris kuhns. thank you for taking the time. i want to talk about something first that your colleague tom hashi harken said on the senate floor. let's come back and talk about it. >> it looks like all of the taxes will be made permanent, but all of the other things that the middle class and america really depends on. one year or two years at the most, but the tax system is made permanent. well, i just think that's grossly unfair. grossly unfair. as i have said before, no deal is better than a bad deal, and this looks like a very bad deal the way this is shaping up. >> so, senator kuhns, is $400,000 on individuals a bad deal as tom harken described, it or is some deal better than no deal at this point? >> well, first, let's just talk about our broader values and the context we're operating in. given the real financial strains on our federal budget, given divided government where the house is controlled by republicans, the s
thank you. >> that's right. >> a deal on the fiscal cliff may be at hand, but there's still a lot to do, and not a lot of time to do it. delaware democratic senator chris kuhns. thank you for taking the time. i want to talk about something first that your colleague tom hashi harken said on the senate floor. let's come back and talk about it. >> it looks like all of the taxes will be made permanent, but all of the other things that the middle class and america really depends...
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cliff from the so-called white house pool. i'm still here with jonathan martin and glen thrush, both experienced white house reporters. he paid tribute to theresa hines-kerry, who started as a u.n. interpreter as a young woman from mozambique who is foreign-born, come to the united states to work at the u.n. also, paying tribute to john kerry and the fact that john kerry gave him his first platform, his first national platform. he was a young state senator in 2004 who was invited to keynote the democratic convention in boston. >> and i'm also reminded of the fact that in 2008 john kerry offered a key endorsement of then senator obama at a rally many south carolina, and that south carolina primary was also hugely important for then senator obama, and john kerry gave him that endorsement. it was a very important day. >> obama also references this debate prep session, which is really -- >> that he worked so hard on. >> because kerry apparently at the initial sessions played it really softball to obama and people like david plouff
cliff from the so-called white house pool. i'm still here with jonathan martin and glen thrush, both experienced white house reporters. he paid tribute to theresa hines-kerry, who started as a u.n. interpreter as a young woman from mozambique who is foreign-born, come to the united states to work at the u.n. also, paying tribute to john kerry and the fact that john kerry gave him his first platform, his first national platform. he was a young state senator in 2004 who was invited to keynote the...
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that will prevent us from going off the fiscal cliff and probably going to be a deal that the white house will be happy with. i think it's increasingly clear that the white house has the upper hand, they're better off if -- they're better off than republicans if we go over the fiscal cliff. they have leverage from the campaign. that's the directionion -- speaker boehner today kept the door open to raising rates on the wealthy as part of a negotiating plan. >> at the white house, what are you hearing as to how much flexibility the president thinks he has? >> it's interesting. i had an interesting conversation yesterday with senator sheldon, white house democrat from rhode island, on the senate budget committee, he said look if we go through january 1st without a deal, it's not the end of the world. it will be the end of the world if they never get resolved. if they don't get resolved until mid january or february we'll be okay. from the white house and democrats we want a deal but not afraid to go past this deadline without a deal as susan said, they know they have the upper hand and
that will prevent us from going off the fiscal cliff and probably going to be a deal that the white house will be happy with. i think it's increasingly clear that the white house has the upper hand, they're better off if -- they're better off than republicans if we go over the fiscal cliff. they have leverage from the campaign. that's the directionion -- speaker boehner today kept the door open to raising rates on the wealthy as part of a negotiating plan. >> at the white house, what are...
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cliff. in a video released by his campaign an emotional obama thanked his campaign workers in chicago. sn>> >>. >> what you guys have done means that the work i'm doing is approved. i'm really proud of all of you. and -- [ applause ] >> a rare sign of emotion from the president a day after his election. good day, i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. let the negotiations begin. house and senate leaders have now staked out their opening positions. now the president will put down his markers. we're only moments from his scheduled first post-election speech at the white house addressing the most urgent crisis of the lame-duck session, the fiscal cliff. without a deal, the congressional budget office now projects that if the tax cuts expire and the budget cuts kick in, unemployment would jump to 9.1% by the end of next year and the nation's economy could slide into another recession. joining me for our daily fix, special panel, chris cizilla, msnbc contributor and managing editor of post polit
cliff. in a video released by his campaign an emotional obama thanked his campaign workers in chicago. sn>> >>. >> what you guys have done means that the work i'm doing is approved. i'm really proud of all of you. and -- [ applause ] >> a rare sign of emotion from the president a day after his election. good day, i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. let the negotiations begin. house and senate leaders have now staked out their opening positions. now the president will...
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so that we both avoid the fiscal cliff and bring some needed certainty to our economy so that people can invest again. >> so do you think that this is just a last move to show his caucus that he tried and that he fought hard or it's just a negotiating tactic? >> i don't -- it's really hard to -- it's really -- particularly this late in the day with two weeks left before the end of the end of the year and the deadlines looming for the fiscal cliff, i don't know why they're spending a two-day string just to show that it's going to be unsuccessful. i think he should get back to the negotiating table. if he wanted to do something that might actually be successful, he could pass the senate pass bill which would extend tax relief for 98% of americans and then negotiate the rest from there, but this just seems like, you know, he is just trying to prove, as i said, trying to prove something to his caucus, maybe to the hard right republican base. in the end of the day it's just wasting time, i think, for at least for the next 48 hours. >> john, thank you very much. thanks for being with us to
so that we both avoid the fiscal cliff and bring some needed certainty to our economy so that people can invest again. >> so do you think that this is just a last move to show his caucus that he tried and that he fought hard or it's just a negotiating tactic? >> i don't -- it's really hard to -- it's really -- particularly this late in the day with two weeks left before the end of the end of the year and the deadlines looming for the fiscal cliff, i don't know why they're spending a...
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spending. >>> only 19 days left until the fiscal cliff. why are republicans letting congress go home? >> once again having a two-day workweek in the congress of the united states. you have to ask the question why are we going home instead of working very hard to forge an agreement to avoid that fiscal cliff? >> hillary clinton heads to capitol hill next week to testify about the benghazi terror attack armed with poll numbers that make her the envy of the political world. does that mean she'll run four years from now? listen to her response to barbara walters. >> what would it take to convince you to run in -- >> that's all hypothetical because right now i have no intention of running. sfoo right now at least. and a might of 1,000 rock stars in new york city. the boss, paul mccartney, bon jovi, billy joel, alicia keys, among others, all coming together to raise money for hurricane sandy victims. keep fans rocking well past midnight. ♪ ♪ who says you can't go home there's only one place they call you one of their own a hometown boy born
spending. >>> only 19 days left until the fiscal cliff. why are republicans letting congress go home? >> once again having a two-day workweek in the congress of the united states. you have to ask the question why are we going home instead of working very hard to forge an agreement to avoid that fiscal cliff? >> hillary clinton heads to capitol hill next week to testify about the benghazi terror attack armed with poll numbers that make her the envy of the political world....
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we immediate to deal with the medicare fiscal cliff or you are not going on get your medical bills paid. >> remembering an american original. >> iraqis are dumb muff to attack her going to pay a terrible price. >> nicknamed stormin' norman for his ledgendary temper. he died thursday due to complications from pneumonia. >>> it is a year comes to a close, we look back at the amr moments that left us starstruck and speechless in 2012. >>> good day. i'm luke russert. live in washington, d.c. in for andrea this afternoon is the calm before the economic storm white house officials and congressional leaders have kept quiet. ahead of the pivotal round table discussions we all hope can produce some kind of plan to prevent a fiscal cliff dive in the new year. you guessed it. another day without a deal means more losses on wall street. look at those numbers will. 68 down for the dow. joining for the daily fix, nbc white house correspondent peter alexander. nbc's kelly o'donnell live on capitol hill. and jonathan capeheart. peter, let me start with you. there's this meeting at 3:00 p.m. at the whit
we immediate to deal with the medicare fiscal cliff or you are not going on get your medical bills paid. >> remembering an american original. >> iraqis are dumb muff to attack her going to pay a terrible price. >> nicknamed stormin' norman for his ledgendary temper. he died thursday due to complications from pneumonia. >>> it is a year comes to a close, we look back at the amr moments that left us starstruck and speechless in 2012. >>> good day. i'm luke...
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how do you approach the fiscal cliff in. >> well, of course the fiscal cliff has two pieces. one the across the board meat ax sequester cuts which everybody agrees are a bad way to cut the deficit. and i do believe we'll find a way to buy down those cuts, find alternative ways to save money for a temporary period while we negotiate other things. now, on the tax part of the fiscal cliff, i would argue strongly that that was a major part of the campaign and -- >> i'm talking about the budget cuts, right. >> he was crystal clear he said we should avoid the main part of the fiscal cliff by extending all of the middle class tax cuts and that number you used of around $500 billion, most of that comes from the middle class tax cuts and what the president has said we should extend all of those middle class tax cuts right away. it's republicans who have said, wait a minute, nobody gets any tax relief unless very wealthy people, people like mitt romney, get this bonus tax break. >> but the president has said he would veto a bill that would extend all of the bush tax cuts, give the weal
how do you approach the fiscal cliff in. >> well, of course the fiscal cliff has two pieces. one the across the board meat ax sequester cuts which everybody agrees are a bad way to cut the deficit. and i do believe we'll find a way to buy down those cuts, find alternative ways to save money for a temporary period while we negotiate other things. now, on the tax part of the fiscal cliff, i would argue strongly that that was a major part of the campaign and -- >> i'm talking about the...
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the on the fiscal cliff is not reefed. while negotiations appear to be at a standstill, we know president obama and house speaker john boehner finally spoke by phone yesterday. the first conversation in a week. we don't know what they talked about or how long they spoke, because both men agreed to keep details of the conversation between the two of them. meanti meantime, democrats are digging in heels saying no deem if republicans refuse to let go of tax cuts for the wealthy. >> it's really time for republicans to face reality. i would hope the house of representatives would look closely at what's going on with senators coming out saying please, mr. speaker, do something about protecting the middle class. >> and it appears house republicans are also ready, at least some of them, to give he house speaker boehner more flexibility. "the washington post" reports, quote, many gop centrists and some conservatives call on the house speaker to concede on rates now while he still has some leverage
the on the fiscal cliff is not reefed. while negotiations appear to be at a standstill, we know president obama and house speaker john boehner finally spoke by phone yesterday. the first conversation in a week. we don't know what they talked about or how long they spoke, because both men agreed to keep details of the conversation between the two of them. meanti meantime, democrats are digging in heels saying no deem if republicans refuse to let go of tax cuts for the wealthy. >> it's...
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, and you also have the fiscal cliff problem. he i don't feel has the secretary of state who has said she will stay in in national hockey league a replacement is there. it is normal to get that done right before the inauguration. he has a lot of team because both of these people's, senator kerry or ambassador rice, are fully vetted. they've been around for a while. people know them. they know the sort of things they've said and the records pretty clear and public, so either one of them can move pretty quickly through the process because they both have been vetted and been so high profile and public over a long period of time. >> is -- you don't think that she's been damaged by people -- by all of these hits she's had to endure without having the full defense that you would have if you were a nominee? plus, the fact that this would open a whole benghazi investigation. >> as you know, andrea, there is a commission that's reporting soon to the secretary of state on benghazi, but, as you know, once a nominee is named, you basically g
, and you also have the fiscal cliff problem. he i don't feel has the secretary of state who has said she will stay in in national hockey league a replacement is there. it is normal to get that done right before the inauguration. he has a lot of team because both of these people's, senator kerry or ambassador rice, are fully vetted. they've been around for a while. people know them. they know the sort of things they've said and the records pretty clear and public, so either one of them can move...
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done on the fiscal cliff. >> it'll be interesting to see whether any of the republicans take any wisdom from the example of thaddeus stevens and his willingness to compromise some of his more radical positions in order to get the 13th amendment passed. >> one can only hope. >> we're going to be watching for you, you're co-hosting "the sick cycle" at 3:00. >> kornacki, get well quick. >>> that does it for us. for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." >>> coming up in our next hour, we have the very latest on the fiscal cliff negotiations including new reaction from speaker boehner and senate majority leader reid after their meetings with secretary geithner on capitol hill today. >>> plus, a live report from the white house on president obama and mitt romney's lunch meeting in the private residence. >>> we are following developing news. former president george h.w. bush has been hospitalized. we'll update you on his condition. >>> plus, we are just now an hour away from an historic u.n. vote on the palestinian's bid for statehood. israel's vice prime minister joins me live. now we ne
done on the fiscal cliff. >> it'll be interesting to see whether any of the republicans take any wisdom from the example of thaddeus stevens and his willingness to compromise some of his more radical positions in order to get the 13th amendment passed. >> one can only hope. >> we're going to be watching for you, you're co-hosting "the sick cycle" at 3:00. >> kornacki, get well quick. >>> that does it for us. for this edition of "andrea mitchell...
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cliff. which john boehner will show up? the one to make a deal or otect the flank of the tea party? >> it's a fascinating question. as soon as it ends, there is a real and looming crisis for the country. my guess is that john boehner does not sort of offer too much in the way of branches or stick too hard line. the statements the day after the election is an opening bid. i do not think after john boehner watched the president be re-elected between 300 and 332 electoral votes and democrats pick up seats in the u.s. senate and after he party lose a handful of seats in the house, i don't think he's going to go hard line and i don't think he's con sillatory either. >> thanks so much. it's going to be a good ride. that does it for us. tomorrow, we have virginia governor bob macdonald. hi, tamron. >> great to see you. in the next hour, the home coming you might call it. president obama ready to leave chicago and head back to washington fresh off his victory. that's happening in the next hour. cons
cliff. which john boehner will show up? the one to make a deal or otect the flank of the tea party? >> it's a fascinating question. as soon as it ends, there is a real and looming crisis for the country. my guess is that john boehner does not sort of offer too much in the way of branches or stick too hard line. the statements the day after the election is an opening bid. i do not think after john boehner watched the president be re-elected between 300 and 332 electoral votes and democrats...
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cliff is not focusing attention. the report that mitch mcconnell laughed yesterday when timothy geithner presented the white house position, this is the mitch mcconnell who said we're going to -- my main goal is to defeat the president, not give him a second term. >> how is that working? >> senator mcconnell, second term is here, things have changed, and the obama -- the last term where he was reaching out offering to negotiate from the middle, is gone. you know, he's going to put out there what he wants because he won and there is not a chance of defeating him now. at least in an election. and i don't think on this issue. on the issue of middle class tax cuts republicans want to go forward saying we raised taxes on the middle class. >> but chris, doesn't the white house have to be a little more specific about what's in that $400 billion of medicare cuts? i mean they're trying to smoke out what the republicans are willing to go for, but each side is suspicious, understandably, they will get hammered publicly. >> that
cliff is not focusing attention. the report that mitch mcconnell laughed yesterday when timothy geithner presented the white house position, this is the mitch mcconnell who said we're going to -- my main goal is to defeat the president, not give him a second term. >> how is that working? >> senator mcconnell, second term is here, things have changed, and the obama -- the last term where he was reaching out offering to negotiate from the middle, is gone. you know, he's going to put...
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it makes no sense at all to go past the fiscal cliff, maybe solve that problem, and then run right into a debt ceiling discussion. so i think what the white house is signaling is that at a minimum, any deficit package has to include this immediate february and march debt ceiling that we're going to hit. >> is jack lew the current chief of staff and former budget director the top candidate to be treasury? what is your best guess? >> he appears to be the frontrunner from everything you see and read and hear and he is a -- i've known him a long time. he's an accomplished guy. he knows these issues perfectly. he has worked in the financial community and has a sense of that and vice versa. and so i think he would be a it terrific choice. >> we should say there are a couple other people who have been rumored to being vetted. roger altman, former treasury official, larry fink, be erskine bowles. this what is alan simpson, erskine bowles' partner in the deficit commission, had to say about that possibility last week on the show. >> he said he would be very pleased to do that. he shared that wit
it makes no sense at all to go past the fiscal cliff, maybe solve that problem, and then run right into a debt ceiling discussion. so i think what the white house is signaling is that at a minimum, any deficit package has to include this immediate february and march debt ceiling that we're going to hit. >> is jack lew the current chief of staff and former budget director the top candidate to be treasury? what is your best guess? >> he appears to be the frontrunner from everything...
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with the challenge to find a way to avoid the fiscal cliff. joining me now, chris cillizza. so the election is over and things are calmed down. what more is there to do? the signals from john boehner, the speaker of the house, are that he's got some more leverage with his republican caucus than he had back in the day, and that there is talk of coming up with more revenue. maybe not calling it a tax increase, not a rate increase, but finding some way to raise some more money. >> right. you know, andrea, i hate to sound an optimistic note when it comes to politics, but i do think the signals coming out of john boehner's sort of world, and out of president obama's statement last week is that there can be some common ground here, that president obama, i think, clearly has some leverage due to what happened in the, in his own race, as well as at the senate level. so i think he has that. and then john boehner, i think a little bit more questionable in how much more leverage he has within his own caucus, but we shall see. if both of them can sort of
with the challenge to find a way to avoid the fiscal cliff. joining me now, chris cillizza. so the election is over and things are calmed down. what more is there to do? the signals from john boehner, the speaker of the house, are that he's got some more leverage with his republican caucus than he had back in the day, and that there is talk of coming up with more revenue. maybe not calling it a tax increase, not a rate increase, but finding some way to raise some more money. >> right. you...
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no, ifs, or buts and any room of negotiating on that specific aspect of the fiscal cliff? >> i am withholding judgment with respect to how the entire process surrounding general petraeus came up. you know, we don't have all the information yet. but i want to say that i have a lot of confidence generally in the fbi and they have got a difficult job. and so, i'm going to wait and see to see if there's any other -- >> is there a way that you should have known? might have -- >> well, i mean, chuck, what i'll say is that if -- it is also possible that had we been told then you'd be sitting here asking a question about why were you interfering in a criminal investigation. so, i think it's best right now to for us to just see how this whole process unfolded. with respect to the tax rates, i just want to emphasize, i am hope to new ideas. if the republican counterparts or some democrats have a great idea for us to raise revenue, maintain progressivity abnd the middle class isn't hit, decreases the deficit, increases growth, i want to hear idea -- i want to hear ideas from everybod
no, ifs, or buts and any room of negotiating on that specific aspect of the fiscal cliff? >> i am withholding judgment with respect to how the entire process surrounding general petraeus came up. you know, we don't have all the information yet. but i want to say that i have a lot of confidence generally in the fbi and they have got a difficult job. and so, i'm going to wait and see to see if there's any other -- >> is there a way that you should have known? might have -- >>...
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the solutions to the fiscal cliff are painful and involve sacrifice on both sides. it's not surprising when you're running a political campaign it isn't your first choice to necessarily deal with a for -- >> walter mondale approved that. >> walter mondale proved that on the tax issue, for sure. the fact is the deadline is coming. i'm not as pessimistic. it's so insane to go over the fiscal cliff that i have to believe at the end of the day people avoid that. what's starting to happen, you're starting to see in the markets nervousness about this. people are starting to focus on it. there's something called the fear index. there are other indices around all suggesting that. this is starting now to get through to the investor community that we have a problem. >> just one other point is there is some conversation on the hill. there was a politico story yesterday that mccain, lindsey graham and other big players, john kerry and others are talking about taxes. >> i think there are a lot of conversations going on on the hill among the responsible people including a lot of
the solutions to the fiscal cliff are painful and involve sacrifice on both sides. it's not surprising when you're running a political campaign it isn't your first choice to necessarily deal with a for -- >> walter mondale approved that. >> walter mondale proved that on the tax issue, for sure. the fact is the deadline is coming. i'm not as pessimistic. it's so insane to go over the fiscal cliff that i have to believe at the end of the day people avoid that. what's starting to...